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		<title>by: Pam Stockton</title>
		<link>http://magdalenemystique.com/2007/04/23/comment-andor-quote/#comment-423</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Madeleine has a knack for putting her finger on the pulse of the problem, as demonstrated in her statement that “the aspect of the ‘definitions’ we encounter in our culture &#38; ourselves which we ignore to our peril is that most of our conceptions are based on a patriarchal paradigm.” This, I think, is where we get into trouble with conventional definitions of “the feminine.” It’s a male-defined feminine. I don’t pretend to understand much of what the French feminists have written, but I think that they have been trying to re-define this term from women’s perspectives.

The main thing I’ve been reading recently is Jeff Kripal’s book on Esalen, and I’m just past the half-way point. It’s a huge book, but well worth the effort. Slowly, gradually, as the perspectives of the various personalities who have left their stamp on Esalen seep into my consciousness, I become ever more deeply aware that the sacred is in our very cells. The divine could not possibly be closer to us in our human embodiment . . . it is just a matter of changing our perspectives.

In many ways the Magdalene energy has always, for me, been about moving closer to our divine selves and overcoming the barriers that create the illusion of separation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeleine has a knack for putting her finger on the pulse of the problem, as demonstrated in her statement that “the aspect of the ‘definitions’ we encounter in our culture &amp; ourselves which we ignore to our peril is that most of our conceptions are based on a patriarchal paradigm.” This, I think, is where we get into trouble with conventional definitions of “the feminine.” It’s a male-defined feminine. I don’t pretend to understand much of what the French feminists have written, but I think that they have been trying to re-define this term from women’s perspectives.</p>
<p>The main thing I’ve been reading recently is Jeff Kripal’s book on Esalen, and I’m just past the half-way point. It’s a huge book, but well worth the effort. Slowly, gradually, as the perspectives of the various personalities who have left their stamp on Esalen seep into my consciousness, I become ever more deeply aware that the sacred is in our very cells. The divine could not possibly be closer to us in our human embodiment . . . it is just a matter of changing our perspectives.</p>
<p>In many ways the Magdalene energy has always, for me, been about moving closer to our divine selves and overcoming the barriers that create the illusion of separation.
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		<title>by: Anneli Leander</title>
		<link>http://magdalenemystique.com/2007/04/23/comment-andor-quote/#comment-408</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 14:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Bridgitt, a heartily thank you for your encouragement of what I wrote. My words were indeed inspired by your comments - thats how the beautiful web of a great discussion is evolving! Dear Madeleine, after reading your initiated comments and the part about "divinity is not only very near (in the other/Jesus) but is part of (in her self)." I also felt inspired to develop what I expressed about the feeling of closeness to heaven as a Magdalene spirituality. And also connect it to Madeleines example of sex as a way of being spiritual with the Beloved One. I really believe that heaven is not only close, but within, just as Jesus said. Also as Madeleine writes about otherness/unity.  So if I let myself unite with heaven (I believe I am the one that needs to take action, because Jesus has said that heaven is within me already), there will be kind of a fertilization, that is creating "something". What would I do with heaven? What will I give birth to? What can I express or create? Maybe the same is happening when two loving people unite in love-making/sex: there is a fertilization - and now I do not mean the egg and the sperm - but heaven within two persons fertilize and create something heavenly (a spark? an angel? expansion of love, as a power?) This would in fact also be an example of otherness and unity at the same time. To be close to heaven AND to feel it within; to have heaven within and unite with someone else that has heaven within. And maybe it does not even need to be a concious act ("I now unite my heaven with yours") but just a truthful, honest and loving act of feelings, not only for the Beloved One, but also for myself as the reciever of love, sex after all is both ways (and as Madeleine also writes about the Beloved being myself).
So, I guess the conclusion would be that love-making can be a heavenly act of fertilization (not only procreaton in the common sense)! And (with the discussion above in mind, about being human and having a gender) therefore love-making/sex is an act between Humans as well as between a woman/man, man/man, woman/woman.
Perhaps this is also why the image of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene as married is so inspiring to us! It shows us an inspiring image of what divine love is.
I am so happy to be a part of this conversation!
Anneli</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bridgitt, a heartily thank you for your encouragement of what I wrote. My words were indeed inspired by your comments - thats how the beautiful web of a great discussion is evolving! Dear Madeleine, after reading your initiated comments and the part about &#8220;divinity is not only very near (in the other/Jesus) but is part of (in her self).&#8221; I also felt inspired to develop what I expressed about the feeling of closeness to heaven as a Magdalene spirituality. And also connect it to Madeleines example of sex as a way of being spiritual with the Beloved One. I really believe that heaven is not only close, but within, just as Jesus said. Also as Madeleine writes about otherness/unity.  So if I let myself unite with heaven (I believe I am the one that needs to take action, because Jesus has said that heaven is within me already), there will be kind of a fertilization, that is creating &#8220;something&#8221;. What would I do with heaven? What will I give birth to? What can I express or create? Maybe the same is happening when two loving people unite in love-making/sex: there is a fertilization - and now I do not mean the egg and the sperm - but heaven within two persons fertilize and create something heavenly (a spark? an angel? expansion of love, as a power?) This would in fact also be an example of otherness and unity at the same time. To be close to heaven AND to feel it within; to have heaven within and unite with someone else that has heaven within. And maybe it does not even need to be a concious act (&#8221;I now unite my heaven with yours&#8221;) but just a truthful, honest and loving act of feelings, not only for the Beloved One, but also for myself as the reciever of love, sex after all is both ways (and as Madeleine also writes about the Beloved being myself).<br />
So, I guess the conclusion would be that love-making can be a heavenly act of fertilization (not only procreaton in the common sense)! And (with the discussion above in mind, about being human and having a gender) therefore love-making/sex is an act between Humans as well as between a woman/man, man/man, woman/woman.<br />
Perhaps this is also why the image of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene as married is so inspiring to us! It shows us an inspiring image of what divine love is.<br />
I am so happy to be a part of this conversation!<br />
Anneli
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		<title>by: Bridgitt</title>
		<link>http://magdalenemystique.com/2007/04/23/comment-andor-quote/#comment-394</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 15:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pam...I wish I could have answered your question.  But I've been thinking that perhaps a better word to use would be "female."  Perhaps there are fewer negative connotations.  As Annali says, "Gender IS."  It's what society has done to generalize what it means to be male and female that has created the problems.  I, too, don't know any other way to percieve the world than through my femaleness.

Annali, I loved how you put it: "we are Jesus. We are the sons and daughters of God."    I also feel the realm of the Divine is very near to us.  That it is invisible, but close enough to touch and to touch us.  What a lovely way with words you have!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam&#8230;I wish I could have answered your question.  But I&#8217;ve been thinking that perhaps a better word to use would be &#8220;female.&#8221;  Perhaps there are fewer negative connotations.  As Annali says, &#8220;Gender IS.&#8221;  It&#8217;s what society has done to generalize what it means to be male and female that has created the problems.  I, too, don&#8217;t know any other way to percieve the world than through my femaleness.</p>
<p>Annali, I loved how you put it: &#8220;we are Jesus. We are the sons and daughters of God.&#8221;    I also feel the realm of the Divine is very near to us.  That it is invisible, but close enough to touch and to touch us.  What a lovely way with words you have!</p>
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		<title>by: Madeleine Manning</title>
		<link>http://magdalenemystique.com/2007/04/23/comment-andor-quote/#comment-393</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 15:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow.  Thanks to you all for so much richness here!
I want to respond to several things expressed here &#38; listen to your feelings and thoughts.  I am not a scholar, or even able to read much at this time, so I am speaking only with myself as my source - and you all, since I am in response to you.

"Mary Magdalene has become the embodiment of the divine for me." -- Hopefully without arrogance, balanced by the divine I find all around me, I have become the embodiment of the divine for me.

Re: gender definitions/stereotypes discussion...
For me the aspect of the "definitions" we encounter in our culture &#38; ourselves which we ignore to our peril is that most of our conceptions are based on a patriarcal paradigm.  Indeed Aint I a woman?  For me the process of finding a language which expresses unity IN difference is part of the journey of the Magdalene example and teaching - the more deeply we are able to journey inward and experience our own "otherness" - in other words, "stand alone in our own right" - and simulatniously deepen our conciousness of both the otherness and our oneness of each entity we encounter the more deeply we will live in the infinitely diverse divine.
For me this ties very closely to the sacredness of sexuality.  For me this is not about procreation or ordering of society or the mystical experience as it is expressed by non-mystics.  My experience of sex as sacred is double.  First, my greatest joy/ pleasure lies in creating joy/pleasure in my Beloved.  My awareness in this reality enlivens every aspect of my life. This is as true for same gender love as for mixed gender love.  Perhaps hardest of all in my understanding &#38; certainly last in my awakening to the sacredness of our sexuality is that it is true even - maybe especially - is my still awkward sensing that I am also my own Beloved, and I am also honoring my own spark of divinity.  
Second only because I am stuck in linear expressiion, but valuable because it is not separate, is that my experience of giving as my unltimate joy is not intellectual, not emotional, but cellular.  
I experience the Magdalene as sharing her truth that divinity is not only very near (in the other/Jesus) but is part of (in her self).  The wonderful mystery I think I will never stop learning from and absorbing is that each is complete in her/his self and simultainiously in essential need of other.

In gratitude - Madeleine Manning</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Thanks to you all for so much richness here!<br />
I want to respond to several things expressed here &amp; listen to your feelings and thoughts.  I am not a scholar, or even able to read much at this time, so I am speaking only with myself as my source - and you all, since I am in response to you.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mary Magdalene has become the embodiment of the divine for me.&#8221; &#8212; Hopefully without arrogance, balanced by the divine I find all around me, I have become the embodiment of the divine for me.</p>
<p>Re: gender definitions/stereotypes discussion&#8230;<br />
For me the aspect of the &#8220;definitions&#8221; we encounter in our culture &amp; ourselves which we ignore to our peril is that most of our conceptions are based on a patriarcal paradigm.  Indeed Aint I a woman?  For me the process of finding a language which expresses unity IN difference is part of the journey of the Magdalene example and teaching - the more deeply we are able to journey inward and experience our own &#8220;otherness&#8221; - in other words, &#8220;stand alone in our own right&#8221; - and simulatniously deepen our conciousness of both the otherness and our oneness of each entity we encounter the more deeply we will live in the infinitely diverse divine.<br />
For me this ties very closely to the sacredness of sexuality.  For me this is not about procreation or ordering of society or the mystical experience as it is expressed by non-mystics.  My experience of sex as sacred is double.  First, my greatest joy/ pleasure lies in creating joy/pleasure in my Beloved.  My awareness in this reality enlivens every aspect of my life. This is as true for same gender love as for mixed gender love.  Perhaps hardest of all in my understanding &amp; certainly last in my awakening to the sacredness of our sexuality is that it is true even - maybe especially - is my still awkward sensing that I am also my own Beloved, and I am also honoring my own spark of divinity.<br />
Second only because I am stuck in linear expressiion, but valuable because it is not separate, is that my experience of giving as my unltimate joy is not intellectual, not emotional, but cellular.<br />
I experience the Magdalene as sharing her truth that divinity is not only very near (in the other/Jesus) but is part of (in her self).  The wonderful mystery I think I will never stop learning from and absorbing is that each is complete in her/his self and simultainiously in essential need of other.</p>
<p>In gratitude - Madeleine Manning
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		<title>by: Anneli Leander</title>
		<link>http://magdalenemystique.com/2007/04/23/comment-andor-quote/#comment-387</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 02:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear All, I have read your discussion with great inspiration! I believe that everything here expressed is so much true in a new perception of the legacy of Jesus Christ! These comments are running in to the future and is a joy to take part of. I have read The Magdalene Mystique but not the other book. I feel it is a bit aqward to join in this discussion so at the end (?) of it, sorry about that, but there were some questions and I just wanted to share my view. You were brainstorming new ideas of what principles of the spirit that these texts present and I joyfully agree with all the ones presented! I have felt, in agreeing and addition to Darrells "The Kingdom is within us all" (Jesus is more than Jesus, so to say) that the fact that Jesus Christ was here on earth, visible to us, living among us, is that Jesus with his example has showed us who we really are, or rather, who we may be. That we are Jesus. We are the sons and daughters of God. Further, it is fun to read the comments on what femininity is and I so much agree with Bridgitts and Pams comments. So true that the first fundamental fact is that we all are human. Still it is very obvious that we are made woman and man. Gender IS, but look what we did to it! The differences between our bodies are obvious. And our body is the tool with which we percieve the world. The problem arises when we generalise about what we percieve as woman or a man. Some things a man cannot know anything about. There are things a woman cannont know about percieving as a man (I guess! ;-). This is of course where the individual experience comes true and is the truth. Femininity for me is the way a woman percieves and experiences the world. I do not know another way to be than feminine(I am after all a woman). I am first of all human but unsure where the line within me between human/woman goes. Of course it is not at all dualistic (male/female) but like a void, just like the way I can percieve spirituality the "Magdalen way": like an openness between entities. Finally, about otherness, I believe that the problem with otherness is connected to being victimized. To be a victim of something is so totally un-powering. (I have felt it important to be empathic with my fellows around, but not to "feel sorry for" them. To cry With my fellow, not cry for my fellow.) The way around this otherness (a way which is so terribly difficult) I believe, is to start with not victimizing myself and my life in this world. To be "the other" is to allow "them" to name me, to denominate my experiences. We can always experiment with different ways to percieve and understand things that happen in our lives. When I am OK with who I am and how I percieve, "they" (the ones that create the space between us)cannot denominate what I am, at least not without consulting me.
Please bear with me and read this last thing. Do you also feel that God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Angels and "their" world (heaven) is very near (eg. close, real). It is invisible to the eye, but so close so we can touch. It is real. It is true. Jesus whispers in the ear and strokes the hand. This is what the spirituality of Mary Magdalene is for me, to be that close.
Peace be with you all!
Anneli</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear All, I have read your discussion with great inspiration! I believe that everything here expressed is so much true in a new perception of the legacy of Jesus Christ! These comments are running in to the future and is a joy to take part of. I have read The Magdalene Mystique but not the other book. I feel it is a bit aqward to join in this discussion so at the end (?) of it, sorry about that, but there were some questions and I just wanted to share my view. You were brainstorming new ideas of what principles of the spirit that these texts present and I joyfully agree with all the ones presented! I have felt, in agreeing and addition to Darrells &#8220;The Kingdom is within us all&#8221; (Jesus is more than Jesus, so to say) that the fact that Jesus Christ was here on earth, visible to us, living among us, is that Jesus with his example has showed us who we really are, or rather, who we may be. That we are Jesus. We are the sons and daughters of God. Further, it is fun to read the comments on what femininity is and I so much agree with Bridgitts and Pams comments. So true that the first fundamental fact is that we all are human. Still it is very obvious that we are made woman and man. Gender IS, but look what we did to it! The differences between our bodies are obvious. And our body is the tool with which we percieve the world. The problem arises when we generalise about what we percieve as woman or a man. Some things a man cannot know anything about. There are things a woman cannont know about percieving as a man (I guess! <img src='http://magdalenemystique.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . This is of course where the individual experience comes true and is the truth. Femininity for me is the way a woman percieves and experiences the world. I do not know another way to be than feminine(I am after all a woman). I am first of all human but unsure where the line within me between human/woman goes. Of course it is not at all dualistic (male/female) but like a void, just like the way I can percieve spirituality the &#8220;Magdalen way&#8221;: like an openness between entities. Finally, about otherness, I believe that the problem with otherness is connected to being victimized. To be a victim of something is so totally un-powering. (I have felt it important to be empathic with my fellows around, but not to &#8220;feel sorry for&#8221; them. To cry With my fellow, not cry for my fellow.) The way around this otherness (a way which is so terribly difficult) I believe, is to start with not victimizing myself and my life in this world. To be &#8220;the other&#8221; is to allow &#8220;them&#8221; to name me, to denominate my experiences. We can always experiment with different ways to percieve and understand things that happen in our lives. When I am OK with who I am and how I percieve, &#8220;they&#8221; (the ones that create the space between us)cannot denominate what I am, at least not without consulting me.<br />
Please bear with me and read this last thing. Do you also feel that God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Angels and &#8220;their&#8221; world (heaven) is very near (eg. close, real). It is invisible to the eye, but so close so we can touch. It is real. It is true. Jesus whispers in the ear and strokes the hand. This is what the spirituality of Mary Magdalene is for me, to be that close.<br />
Peace be with you all!<br />
Anneli
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		<title>by: Pam Stockton</title>
		<link>http://magdalenemystique.com/2007/04/23/comment-andor-quote/#comment-384</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, Bridgitt, I was hoping that you would be able to answer my question!

But your response underscores the difficulty of defining the terms "masculine" and "feminine" without resort to what ultimately come down to a bunch of stereotypes.

In the end, I think that it is our life's work to find the perfect humanity within ourselves--the perfect humanity in which is found our divinity. I am not advocating androgyny as the remedy for the gender divide, but acceptance of ourselves and others in our unique individuality. 

Marjorie Procter-Smith wrote in her book Praying With Our Eyes Open that what women need is not the Divine Feminine but the Divine Feminist. And I would add that we need her on the Supreme Court!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Bridgitt, I was hoping that you would be able to answer my question!</p>
<p>But your response underscores the difficulty of defining the terms &#8220;masculine&#8221; and &#8220;feminine&#8221; without resort to what ultimately come down to a bunch of stereotypes.</p>
<p>In the end, I think that it is our life&#8217;s work to find the perfect humanity within ourselves&#8211;the perfect humanity in which is found our divinity. I am not advocating androgyny as the remedy for the gender divide, but acceptance of ourselves and others in our unique individuality. </p>
<p>Marjorie Procter-Smith wrote in her book Praying With Our Eyes Open that what women need is not the Divine Feminine but the Divine Feminist. And I would add that we need her on the Supreme Court!
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		<title>by: Bridgitt</title>
		<link>http://magdalenemystique.com/2007/04/23/comment-andor-quote/#comment-378</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pam,

My answer to your question, with honesty and humor, is "I don't know."   I think "feminine" is an attribute each individual must define for her, or him, self.  For me, femininity is part of how I have always defined myself and something I have always felt comfortable being.  I'm not even sure I can explain why.

I also define myself as a feminist and like you, would love to see the need for feminism to come to an end.  I've become aware recently, however, that many young women see feminism itself as antiquated.   The trouble is, the societal conventions that feminism sprang up to fight are still incredibly pervasive...one glaring example is the Supreme Court's recent decision regarding reproductive rights.

One thing I try to remember, and frankly, it took a very long time for this to sink in, is, to paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt, "No one can make you feel othered without your consent."  I certainly don't mean that to sound pat because I find myself feeling othered by people, my family in particular.  I remind myself that I do not consent to being othered.  And as more and more "others" are standing up and refusing to be othered, the individual humanity of all will be revalued and revalorized.  

And that is the message I now carry in my heart...that the Teacher "has prepared us and made us true Human beings."  That divinity and salvation is found within each and every one of us, male or female, masculine or feminine, or anywhere in between or outside of those narrow definitions.

So shall it be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam,</p>
<p>My answer to your question, with honesty and humor, is &#8220;I don&#8217;t know.&#8221;   I think &#8220;feminine&#8221; is an attribute each individual must define for her, or him, self.  For me, femininity is part of how I have always defined myself and something I have always felt comfortable being.  I&#8217;m not even sure I can explain why.</p>
<p>I also define myself as a feminist and like you, would love to see the need for feminism to come to an end.  I&#8217;ve become aware recently, however, that many young women see feminism itself as antiquated.   The trouble is, the societal conventions that feminism sprang up to fight are still incredibly pervasive&#8230;one glaring example is the Supreme Court&#8217;s recent decision regarding reproductive rights.</p>
<p>One thing I try to remember, and frankly, it took a very long time for this to sink in, is, to paraphrase Eleanor Roosevelt, &#8220;No one can make you feel othered without your consent.&#8221;  I certainly don&#8217;t mean that to sound pat because I find myself feeling othered by people, my family in particular.  I remind myself that I do not consent to being othered.  And as more and more &#8220;others&#8221; are standing up and refusing to be othered, the individual humanity of all will be revalued and revalorized.  </p>
<p>And that is the message I now carry in my heart&#8230;that the Teacher &#8220;has prepared us and made us true Human beings.&#8221;  That divinity and salvation is found within each and every one of us, male or female, masculine or feminine, or anywhere in between or outside of those narrow definitions.</p>
<p>So shall it be.
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		<title>by: Pam Stockton</title>
		<link>http://magdalenemystique.com/2007/04/23/comment-andor-quote/#comment-370</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As April DeConick noted, the antiquity of the worldview expressed in these texts is a huge obstacle, and to make matters worse, an enormous proportion of contemporary Christians think that the texts should be read literally and without the interpretative lens of their cultural context. That way of reading leaves us stuck in a late-antique worldview in perpetuity: bad news for women, since not just patriarchy but outright misogyny was part of the wallpaper, so to speak. 

I agree with Betty that we have to be mindful of “othering.” So how do we deal with the fundamentalist voices that shout down non-literal or contextualized interpretations of canonical texts, and invalidate extracanonical sources altogether? Can we be in conversation with those voices and not be “othered” by them?

How do we deal with the enormous repression of sexuality that is intrinsic to traditional Christianity? We can see the tragic results of this repression, from the marginalization of women in church leadership to the sexual abuse of children by supposedly celibate clergy. It’s a shame the Valentinian view of sexuality didn’t gain more traction! 

I have a question for Bridgitt: how do I keep from feeling “othered” when my friends want to reclaim and revalorize “the feminine” but I can’t even figure out what the word means? I ask the question both honestly and with humor. I have been trying for years to understand what people mean by “the feminine” without making any progress whatsoever. Not a bit. To quote Sojourner Truth, “Ain’t I a woman?”  But I don’t feel that I am either “feminine” or “masculine.” I am just a person.

It seems to me that what we need is a revalorization of our humanness, of which our femaleness or maleness is one facet of many, a facet that is not determinative of how our creativity manifests itself. It is in our creativity---of which sexual generativity is one manifestation---that we most reflect the divine image. We---male and female---create friendships, networks of relationship, ideas, blogs, works of literary, visual and musical art, theories, inventions, and all manner of stuff.  Sex and procreation are important human activities too, but not everyone procreates (or even wants to), and we know now that healthy sexuality expresses itself in various ways.

I am feminist who would like to see the need for feminism come to an end. In a world in which gender was not the first category assigned to everyone, and was never seen as limiting what an individual could be or accomplish, we could revalorize our unique and individual humanity. 

Gee, that sounds sort of like the Gospel of Mary, doesn’t it?  "Do not weep and be distressed nor let your hearts be irresolute. For his grace will be with you all and will shelter you. Rather we should praise his greatness, for he has prepared us and made us true Human beings" (trans. Karen King).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As April DeConick noted, the antiquity of the worldview expressed in these texts is a huge obstacle, and to make matters worse, an enormous proportion of contemporary Christians think that the texts should be read literally and without the interpretative lens of their cultural context. That way of reading leaves us stuck in a late-antique worldview in perpetuity: bad news for women, since not just patriarchy but outright misogyny was part of the wallpaper, so to speak. </p>
<p>I agree with Betty that we have to be mindful of “othering.” So how do we deal with the fundamentalist voices that shout down non-literal or contextualized interpretations of canonical texts, and invalidate extracanonical sources altogether? Can we be in conversation with those voices and not be “othered” by them?</p>
<p>How do we deal with the enormous repression of sexuality that is intrinsic to traditional Christianity? We can see the tragic results of this repression, from the marginalization of women in church leadership to the sexual abuse of children by supposedly celibate clergy. It’s a shame the Valentinian view of sexuality didn’t gain more traction! </p>
<p>I have a question for Bridgitt: how do I keep from feeling “othered” when my friends want to reclaim and revalorize “the feminine” but I can’t even figure out what the word means? I ask the question both honestly and with humor. I have been trying for years to understand what people mean by “the feminine” without making any progress whatsoever. Not a bit. To quote Sojourner Truth, “Ain’t I a woman?”  But I don’t feel that I am either “feminine” or “masculine.” I am just a person.</p>
<p>It seems to me that what we need is a revalorization of our humanness, of which our femaleness or maleness is one facet of many, a facet that is not determinative of how our creativity manifests itself. It is in our creativity&#8212;of which sexual generativity is one manifestation&#8212;that we most reflect the divine image. We&#8212;male and female&#8212;create friendships, networks of relationship, ideas, blogs, works of literary, visual and musical art, theories, inventions, and all manner of stuff.  Sex and procreation are important human activities too, but not everyone procreates (or even wants to), and we know now that healthy sexuality expresses itself in various ways.</p>
<p>I am feminist who would like to see the need for feminism come to an end. In a world in which gender was not the first category assigned to everyone, and was never seen as limiting what an individual could be or accomplish, we could revalorize our unique and individual humanity. </p>
<p>Gee, that sounds sort of like the Gospel of Mary, doesn’t it?  &#8220;Do not weep and be distressed nor let your hearts be irresolute. For his grace will be with you all and will shelter you. Rather we should praise his greatness, for he has prepared us and made us true Human beings&#8221; (trans. Karen King).
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		<title>by: Hamza Darrell Grizzle</title>
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					<description>How about the idea that the Kingdom of God is within us ALL, not just the members of a particular faith?

(Prof. DeConick, I am really looking forward to your upcoming book on the Gospel of Judas!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the idea that the Kingdom of God is within us ALL, not just the members of a particular faith?</p>
<p>(Prof. DeConick, I am really looking forward to your upcoming book on the Gospel of Judas!)
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		<title>by: Betty</title>
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					<description>How about the idea that denigration of "the other" - any other, or any thing that exists in the universe that may be unlike us - is a denigration of God's grace and spiritual presence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the idea that denigration of &#8220;the other&#8221; - any other, or any thing that exists in the universe that may be unlike us - is a denigration of God&#8217;s grace and spiritual presence?
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